WEBVTT NOTE Cards are transcribed from their own text. Clip cues are machine transcription of the cut files, corrected where the documentary record settles a name or a disputed phrase. To quote anyone, open the source recording at the timestamp on the card. 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.167 Who orders the books? 00:00:02.167 --> 00:00:04.333 A member asks the question in April 2024. Staff arrange for the people who do 00:00:04.333 --> 00:00:06.500 the ordering to explain it to her. A district librarian answers it in the same 00:00:06.500 --> 00:00:08.667 meeting. 00:00:08.667 --> 00:00:10.833 Twenty-eight months later the board spends $60,000 to ask it again, in the 00:00:10.833 --> 00:00:13.000 vendor industry’s own vocabulary. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.500 2024-04-05. A member of the committee, graded C-strong that this is Member 00:00:15.500 --> 00:00:18.000 Green: 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.500 “Who orders the books that we get? What contracts are we in at a state level 00:00:20.500 --> 00:00:23.000 or local LEA level with publishers or distributors?” 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.620 So I have a lot more homework to do myself, but who orders the books 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:28.860 that we get? 00:00:29.500 --> 00:00:33.870 What contracts are we in at a state level or local LEA level with 00:00:33.870 --> 00:00:36.140 publishers or distributors? 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.440 Do they ever do refunds? Where do we match up the money? 00:00:40.580 --> 00:00:44.260 Like if you get stuff that you don't, you know, we got those books, 00:00:44.260 --> 00:00:46.760 we send them back and they reimburse us because we paid them. 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:51.570 I don't know if that's how that works, but those dynamics like who 00:00:51.570 --> 00:00:52.880 orders the books? 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.130 Are we on an automatic shipment of these are the books that are under 00:00:57.130 --> 00:01:00.720 this entity that says send that out to all the, you know, all the 00:01:00.720 --> 00:01:01.920 schools nationwide? 00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:08.180 And why? And if it's getting to the point where laws are in place now 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:12.100 that it's like there's a group of percentage of your books that are 00:01:12.100 --> 00:01:16.440 falling in conflict with the law that we just how do we mitigate that 00:01:16.440 --> 00:01:17.720 from the beginning? 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.810 Instead of having to do something like this, the back end, like it's 00:01:20.810 --> 00:01:23.260 putting a bandaid on a hemorrhage type approach. 00:01:23.860 --> 00:01:27.000 So I don't know. It just seems like there's a higher level. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.000 2024-04-05, ninety seconds later. A participant: 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.000 “I would love to share with you how librarians operate and how schools operate 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.000 with selecting materials, and how they contract. I would love to meet with 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.000 you.” 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.150 all of those things exist though i was gonna say i probably don't 00:01:39.150 --> 00:01:40.580 want to take the time now but i 00:01:40.580 --> 00:01:44.160 would love to like share with you like like how librarians operate 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:45.540 how schools operate with 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:49.600 selecting materials and how they contract yeah and how the contracts 00:01:49.600 --> 00:01:51.840 work and how all of that 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:56.980 i'd be happy to publish contract with authors and if authors have you 00:01:56.980 --> 00:01:58.860 know like to delve off into 00:01:58.860 --> 00:02:03.470 that field that's their right but like as as our entity we have to 00:02:03.470 --> 00:02:05.680 protect yeah and i don't generally 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.600 contract with authors like i haven't heard of an lea i don't know how 00:02:09.600 --> 00:02:12.380 i would love to like meet with you 00:02:12.380 --> 00:02:15.240 and kind of share 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.000 2024-04-16, eleven days later. Vice Chair Green: 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.000 “Who is the purchasing manager that looks at what inventory needs to be 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.000 ordered? Is that list procured from an outside organization or vendor?” 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.820 Like we, you know, a business has a purchasing department and what 00:02:30.820 --> 00:02:31.920 they do is they go in 00:02:31.920 --> 00:02:35.600 and they look at their inventory needs and they, they make their, 00:02:35.600 --> 00:02:37.860 their, um, their purchases 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:41.400 that they send out when that is received and you have your receiving 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.620 department, they scan 00:02:43.620 --> 00:02:48.050 it that they got it from the delivery man, then they, they scan that 00:02:48.050 --> 00:02:48.900 inventory and they 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:50.020 go stop the shelves. 00:02:50.420 --> 00:02:54.850 So I would assume that there is that there's that level that exists 00:02:54.850 --> 00:02:55.520 there. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:01.700 There is somebody that is creating an order for the inventory that's 00:03:01.700 --> 00:03:03.580 coming to the schools 00:03:03.580 --> 00:03:08.880 as it relates specifically to library books and, and materials. 00:03:08.880 --> 00:03:13.370 And I guess this does fall into other books that are being ordered, 00:03:13.370 --> 00:03:15.240 but as far as the librarians 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:23.140 go, um, who is the, who is the purchasing department? 00:03:25.140 --> 00:03:31.690 Who's the purchasing manager that looks at what inventory needs to be 00:03:31.690 --> 00:03:33.240 ordered and goes 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.760 in and selects, we need 30 books of this. 00:03:36.760 --> 00:03:38.640 We need seven books of that. 00:03:38.640 --> 00:03:40.540 We need this. 00:03:40.540 --> 00:03:45.380 If that doesn't come organically from an order form from a librarian, 00:03:45.380 --> 00:03:48.140 is that list procured 00:03:48.140 --> 00:03:52.680 from an outside organization or vendor. 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:53.760 Okay. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.400 2024-04-16, the same meeting. A district librarian answers the premise: 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.800 “In five years in that library, I probably got two boxes of books from them. 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.200 There’s no procurement like it. I never had any of my libraries that I knew of 00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:03.600 that were getting boxes of books sent to them from vendors or publishers.” 00:04:03.600 --> 00:04:06.000 One practitioner’s account of her own districts is not a statewide finding. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.220 A big box of books, and that was rare I would say in 5 years in that 00:04:10.220 --> 00:04:14.000 library, I probably got 2 boxes of books from them. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.820 There's no procurement like I maybe this never happened to me, and as 00:04:17.820 --> 00:04:21.360 a district librarian I never had any of my libraries that I knew of 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:27.000 that were getting like boxes of books sent to them from vendors or 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.857 2024-04-16, two minutes after that. Staff, to Vice Chair Green by name: 00:04:28.857 --> 00:04:30.714 “If you would like further information on that question, we can get some 00:04:30.714 --> 00:04:32.571 before the next meeting, about procurement, or even with the librarians.” 00:04:32.571 --> 00:04:34.429 Green: “Yeah, that would be great.” 00:04:34.429 --> 00:04:36.286 The staff member offered by name is the agency’s Director of Purchasing and 00:04:36.286 --> 00:04:38.143 Contracts. Whether the offered briefing happened is unestablished; a staff 00:04:38.143 --> 00:04:40.000 briefing is not minuted. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.730 A little bit. And I was gonna say, Vice Chair Green, if you would 00:04:44.730 --> 00:04:48.930 like more like further information on that question, we can get some 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:53.450 before the next meeting we can get with Adam Herd as well about 00:04:53.450 --> 00:04:56.000 procurement or even with the librarians. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.850 Okay, yeah, that would be great. I think it's, yeah, that would be 00:05:00.850 --> 00:05:02.000 very helpful. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.000 2025-12-05, twenty months later. Member Green: 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.000 “I’ve spent some time reaching out to librarians to understand the procurement 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.000 process: curating an order, picking that, shipping that, receiving that, 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.000 inventorying that, cataloging that, placing it on the shelves.” 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:15.920 because it is protected and it's a problem. I've spent some time, I'm 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.220 reaching out to librarians 00:05:17.220 --> 00:05:22.390 to understand the procurement process. Like what is it? What does it 00:05:22.390 --> 00:05:24.660 take to get a book? 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.210 And if you stock your business shelves, you know that there are many, 00:05:28.210 --> 00:05:29.740 many, many levels that go 00:05:29.740 --> 00:05:36.160 into curating an order, picking that, shipping that, receiving that, 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:38.180 inventorying that. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:47.350 Cataloging that, placing it on the shelves, and then the process of 00:05:47.350 --> 00:05:51.000 that being used. So 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.000 2026-06-05. Member Green reads the list into the record: 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.000 School Library Journal, Booklist, Kirkus, Publishers Weekly. Follett Content 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.000 Solutions, Mackin, Perma-Bound, Junior Library Guild, Ingram, Baker and 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.000 Taylor. “What I’ve personally been collecting and researching.” 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.540 and help you know make our public libraries functional so you've got 00:06:03.540 --> 00:06:04.600 the school library 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.000 journal you've got the book list carcass reviews publishers weekly 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.580 national council of teachers of 00:06:09.580 --> 00:06:13.540 english international society for technology and education um some 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:15.460 major vendors and distributors 00:06:15.460 --> 00:06:20.380 are folate content solutions you have mac and educational resources 00:06:20.380 --> 00:06:22.020 perma bound books junior 00:06:22.020 --> 00:06:26.710 library guild ingram content group baker and taylor and then you've 00:06:26.710 --> 00:06:28.060 got the others like 00:06:28.060 --> 00:06:32.750 scholastic penguin harper and collins mcmillan simon and would it be 00:06:32.750 --> 00:06:34.600 helpful if i send those to 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:39.310 you because those are that's like the specific lane i'm looking to 00:06:39.310 --> 00:06:41.120 see like what what those 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.810 relationships look like um and i don't know if you've if you've 00:06:45.810 --> 00:06:47.820 rolled that into the supply chain 00:06:47.820 --> 00:06:52.600 and procurement part of of what you've given us um and i'm asking 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.120 because if i need to make a motion 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.860 now i can if we're flexible on that i'm more than happy to share what 00:06:58.860 --> 00:06:59.260 i've 00:06:59.220 --> 00:07:04.120 personally been collecting and researching what what would be best 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.000 and 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.333 2026-08-06, the full board. Member Green: 00:07:07.333 --> 00:07:09.667 “I’m viewing this review through the industry lens, not through like the 00:07:09.667 --> 00:07:12.000 educational realm.” 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.220 been, yeah, compiling a lot of information. I'm viewing this review 00:07:16.220 --> 00:07:18.940 through the industry lens, 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.510 not through like the educational realm, but this is more on the front 00:07:24.510 --> 00:07:27.520 line. And so, and I just have 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:30.700 the, this is, I'm just going to read it briefly. It's just a little 00:07:30.700 --> 00:07:31.640 tiny paragraph, 00:07:31.640 --> 00:07:34.420 but I think it sums it up so I can get right to the point. We can 00:07:34.420 --> 00:07:36.000 move on. It's the memorandum 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.750 2026-08-06, eight minutes later. Member Green: 00:07:38.750 --> 00:07:41.500 “We’ve been able to put a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage, as far as the type of 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:44.250 novels and materials, pornographic novels, that have made it through.” 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:47.000 The same phrase as April 2024. It corroborates. It does not identify. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.200 And now we have a year or two of data underneath our belt. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.100 And what we're seeing, the way I've phrased it, I'll phrase it again, 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:55.060 is we've been able 00:07:55.060 --> 00:07:59.000 to put a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage as far as the type of novels and 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.360 materials, pornographic 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.060 novels that have made it through Salt Lake Tribune had an 00:08:04.060 --> 00:08:05.000 organization. 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.000 2026-08-06, sixty seconds after that. Member Green, as her own assertion: 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.000 “Right now, I’ve asked these industry level questions. I have yet to be able 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.000 to have a conversation with people that can answer that.” 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.000 That no such conversation occurred is not established here. 00:08:17.140 --> 00:08:20.990 And I think that my biggest fear is that we will continue to have 00:08:20.990 --> 00:08:24.900 legislation go through addressing things that we don't understand. 00:08:25.320 --> 00:08:28.640 And right now, I've asked these industry-level questions. 00:08:29.300 --> 00:08:34.490 I have yet to be able to have a conversation with people that can 00:08:34.490 --> 00:08:36.000 answer that. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.000 Now, we know that there are trends. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.667 2026-08-06, the vote. Chair Hymas: 00:08:40.667 --> 00:08:43.333 “That motion passes. Ten in favor, one abstention, Chair Hymas, and two no 00:08:43.333 --> 00:08:46.000 votes being Member Reale and Member Lear.” 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:53.000 Okay. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.000 That motion passes, 10 in favor, one 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.000 abstention with Chair Hymas and two no 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.000 votes being Member Reale and member Lear. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.000 And with that, going back to you, 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.000 Chair Kerry from the committee. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.500 2026-02-22 to 2026-04-14, in the same window. 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:16.000 Across five episodes of a sitting board member’s interview show, the word 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.500 “library” never appears. Six videos, five distinct episodes: the channel 00:09:18.500 --> 00:09:21.000 posted one of them a second time under its own “REPRISE” title. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.500 Searched across all six transcripts, “librar” returns zero. So do pornography, 00:09:23.500 --> 00:09:26.000 obscene, RatedBooks, sensitive material, HB 374, addendum and procurement. The 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.500 seven hits for “book” are reading recommendations. 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:31.000 Why the subject does not come up is unestablished.