WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.486 [Card] “How did these books get here?”. 2 00:00:01.486 --> 00:00:11.656 Twenty-three moments, 2022 to 2026: Utah Legislature, Utah State Board of Education, and the channels around them The same question, asked by public commenters, legislators, a state board vice chair, two districts, one board member and one candidate, over four years. 3 00:00:11.656 --> 00:00:16.950 And what the people who do the buying said back. The source timestamp is on each card. Legislature and Pickens County tapes are audio only. 4 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.337 [Card] May 2022. The earliest supply-chain framing on the swept USBE record, 2022-2024.. 5 00:00:20.337 --> 00:00:27.695 A public commenter tells the state board where the books came from: publishers invented a genre, and it landed on the shelves. “The books were placed there instead. So that explains the influx.” 6 00:00:27.695 --> 00:00:29.250 — Brooke Stephens, public comment · [P] 7 00:00:29.300 --> 00:00:33.300 My name is Brooke Stephens, and I speak in support of board member Kleinstraft. 8 00:00:33.300 --> 00:00:39.300 We need a policy that adapts and helps resolve the unique circumstances that our libraries are facing. 9 00:00:39.300 --> 00:00:46.300 In 2009, publishing companies created a new genre for 18 to 35 year olds, whom were stuck in adolescence. 10 00:00:46.300 --> 00:00:52.300 In order to compete against self-publishers, publishers created a new adult category of books. 11 00:00:52.300 --> 00:00:56.300 The demand from these customers was more detailed sex in the books. 12 00:00:56.300 --> 00:01:02.300 At that time, the line for the young adult category was talk of sex, but no details. 13 00:01:02.300 --> 00:01:07.300 The genre failed because there was no space available in bookstores and libraries to accommodate the new genre. 14 00:01:07.300 --> 00:01:14.300 Because the storylines in the books more closely resembled those of the young adult category, the books were placed there instead. 15 00:01:14.300 --> 00:01:19.300 So that explains the influx of explicit pornography in books. 16 00:01:19.300 --> 00:01:28.300 Because of the extremely detailed sex scenes, many of the passages in these books qualify as the addictive stimulant pornography. 17 00:01:28.300 --> 00:01:30.300 Pornography brings a lifetime of damage to individuals. 18 00:01:30.300 --> 00:01:35.971 [Card] 166 days later · 5 months. Item: implementing H.B. 374, the 2022 sensitive-materials law.. A senator asks the state board how a book gets in. 19 00:01:35.971 --> 00:01:39.450 “What is the front-end process of getting a title inside a library?” — Sen. Fillmore · [P] 20 00:01:39.500 --> 00:02:02.680 Thank you. I really enjoyed your presentation. It was very informative. A question I had, though, is what is the front-end process of getting a title inside a library? Does the State Board have standards or rules for that piece of the process? And if not, do you have a sense about what is the best practice that you think, anyway, that LEAs are implementing? 21 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:12.500 I may interrupt you with questions with your permission, Mr. Chair, as you answer, but I don't want to make my question long-winded. 22 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:15.626 [Card] Same meeting. The state board answers: that is the thing the new rule ends. 23 00:02:15.626 --> 00:02:18.905 “No more ‘the publisher sent extra copies so we're just gonna put them on the shelf.’” 24 00:02:18.905 --> 00:02:21.650 — a USBE presenter (Davis, Norman or Stallings) · [P words, C speaker] 25 00:02:21.700 --> 00:02:28.220 may I address answer the question yes yes go ahead you know we found that very question to be 26 00:02:28.220 --> 00:02:33.600 really important and really it was missing in a lot of places and that was part of the problem 27 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:42.140 because it's a lot easier to analyze before than to pull out and so we have by board rule requested 28 00:02:42.140 --> 00:02:49.180 that or required that every LEA create now a criteria that they publish openly and work on 29 00:02:49.180 --> 00:02:55.620 transparently of what they will have to do to put the book into the library in the first place no more 30 00:02:55.620 --> 00:03:00.100 you know the publisher sent extra copies so we're just going to put them on the shelf even though 31 00:03:00.100 --> 00:03:07.700 we haven't read these in our model policy we suggest that libraries look is this 32 00:03:07.700 --> 00:03:11.320 [Card] Same meeting. He says he has a bill file open on acquisition. It becomes H.B. 464 (2023).. 33 00:03:11.320 --> 00:03:15.650 The bill sponsor picks the question up as his own. “How did they get there in the first place?” — Rep. Ivory · [P] 34 00:03:15.700 --> 00:03:20.860 Senator Fillmore, to your question, which I've got a bill file open that deals with acquisition, 35 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:26.140 that deals with some of the time hurdles and the people hurdles and the number hurdles that are 36 00:03:26.140 --> 00:03:31.240 being put up to prevent parents from challenging books. But that was the key question. How did they 37 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.280 get there in the first place? And so that goes back to a Supreme Court case 40 years ago. 38 00:03:36.920 --> 00:03:42.000 The Supreme Court case, the holding was there were facts in dispute, so summary judgment was 39 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:48.820 not appropriate. That was the holding of the case, pretty generic, vanilla, benign. Three judges in 40 00:03:48.820 --> 00:03:54.600 that generic, vanilla, benign, not appropriate for summary judgment decision, three out of the nine 41 00:03:54.600 --> 00:04:00.560 said, we think there's something special about books in libraries. And we think that if a book 42 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:06.700 gets on a library shelf, they can keep it out for any reason or no reason at all. But if it happens 43 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:13.380 to get on a library shelf, you can't remove it for purely political reasons. Three out of nine 44 00:04:13.380 --> 00:04:19.520 judges said that 40 years ago. That's been turned into what's been perceived as the rule. This 45 00:04:19.520 --> 00:04:25.180 is the Pico case. And so they try whatever they can do to get books on the library shelf and 46 00:04:25.180 --> 00:04:29.700 then say, look at the Supreme Court and what they said. 47 00:04:29.700 --> 00:04:35.648 [Card] 28 days later. Minutes list Supt. Farnsworth and Board Chair Clement; which one is speaking is unresolved.. A district describes its own old practice. 48 00:04:35.648 --> 00:04:42.050 “A lot of times we would just buy a bundle of books from a publisher, as opposed to reading each of them.” — an Alpine School District presenter · [P words, C speaker] 49 00:04:42.100 --> 00:04:46.100 As a result, the district has looked at our procurement 50 00:04:46.100 --> 00:04:50.100 process. I believe this was very valuable. 51 00:04:50.100 --> 00:04:54.100 I think that a lot of times we would just buy a bundle of books from a 52 00:04:54.100 --> 00:04:58.100 publisher as opposed to reading each of them. That part of our policy 53 00:04:58.100 --> 00:05:02.100 has been very valuable in terms of helping us to 54 00:05:02.100 --> 00:05:06.100 keep books that would violate community standards 55 00:05:06.100 --> 00:05:10.100 from getting on the shelves. But I hope you realize there's also been a large 56 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:16.368 [Card] 99 days later · 3 months. She goes on to name BookLooks, Common Sense Media and Rated Books.. The state board's vice chair, presenting H.B. 464, asks it too. 57 00:05:16.368 --> 00:05:21.050 “Where are these books coming from? How did they get here? Someone's providing them.” — Jennie Earl, USBE Vice Chair · [P] 58 00:05:21.100 --> 00:05:43.060 So the question becomes, what do they all have in common? They have a content of books and content in our public school libraries. Where are these books coming from? I guess in my mind, when I look at this, I think, how did they get here? Where are they coming from? Someone's providing them, and they're not just providing them in one area. It's not just Utah being pushed back. It's around the nation. 59 00:05:43.060 --> 00:06:09.100 So there have been systems and rating things put in place, and I'll share just three of them that are out there. Those are not necessarily the ones we have to use, but I do think there is value in saying to vendors, this is where Utah's line is. These are the things that we don't take into our public libraries. They don't have to use our rating system, but they surely know where Utah stands, and they need to understand where that line is. 60 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:14.556 [Card] Same meeting. Her example is a friend's daughter, a school librarian in southern Utah.. Public comment, same hearing: the books arrive unasked. 61 00:06:14.556 --> 00:06:22.050 “Vendors who are just giving stuff to the schools without school soliciting. They're just delivering them.” — Nicolene Peck, Worldwide Organization for Women · [P she said it; the practice is her hearsay] 62 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:29.940 Thank you. My name is Nicolene Peck. I'm president of the Worldwide Organization for Women, and we are in support of this bill. 63 00:06:30.080 --> 00:06:33.600 We especially appreciate the rating system that has been put in here. 64 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:41.880 I think it gives a great message to vendors who are just giving stuff to the schools without schools soliciting, like asking for the books. 65 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:43.140 They're just delivering them. 66 00:06:44.320 --> 00:06:50.100 We also love that this is going to decrease the workload on districts all around the state. 67 00:06:50.100 --> 00:06:52.220 It's going to make it easier, which is great. 68 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:54.280 A little bit of context for the library. 69 00:06:54.420 --> 00:07:04.700 A dear friend of mine, her daughter is a librarian down in southern Utah at a school, and the vendors like Fullett will deliver these books that have not been asked for. 70 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:06.180 She'll see them. 71 00:07:06.460 --> 00:07:15.800 Some of them are so bad, she'll hide them in her desk or somewhere, and she's like, no child is going to see this book because they know it's bad. 72 00:07:15.900 --> 00:07:18.100 They don't know what to do about it and how to get it. 73 00:07:18.100 --> 00:07:23.810 [Card] 111 days later · 3 months. Presenting: Supt. Rich Nye, Board President Nicole McDermott, Chief of Staff Ben Horsley. The speaker addresses Ben.. 74 00:07:23.810 --> 00:07:31.050 A district, walking legislators through its removal flowchart, asks it of itself. “How these books ended up on our shelves anyway.” — a Granite School District presenter · [P words, C speaker] 75 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:37.340 and miners well yes then we remove that book now as we follow that process and you can take a look 76 00:07:37.340 --> 00:07:42.540 at the flow chart as it moves through we also began asking the question as would be natural is 77 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:49.460 how did these books ended up on our shelves anyway and so if you flip the page over we also apply 78 00:07:49.460 --> 00:07:56.100 the same standard to selecting books in our district for use whether or not in the library 79 00:07:56.100 --> 00:08:01.702 [Card] Same meeting. Public comment, same meeting. “Pornography is being purchased and brought into our schools. Really, we need to stop the flood.” 80 00:08:01.702 --> 00:08:05.450 — a public commenter, United Women's Forum and Utah Eagle Forum · [P words; name as heard by ASR] 81 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:09.500 United Women's Forum and Utah Eagle Forum. 82 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:13.500 I am a mother of six and I am a teacher. 83 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:17.500 The biggest problem that I see with the problem with 84 00:08:17.500 --> 00:08:21.500 pornography in our schools is that pornography is being purchased 85 00:08:21.500 --> 00:08:25.500 and brought into our schools. And so now we're spending a lot of time 86 00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:29.500 and a lot of resources and a lot of energy trying to figure out how to get it out. 87 00:08:29.500 --> 00:08:34.500 Really, we need to stop the flood. We need to stop pornography from entering into our schools. 88 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:38.540 [Card] 223 days later · 7 months. Public comment on H.B. 29: the books came in bundles, and she says why. 89 00:08:38.540 --> 00:08:43.750 “Promptly books began coming into our schools in book bundles.” — Cari Bartholomew, public comment · [P words; the causal claim is hers] 90 00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:51.040 you're up hi again I'm Cari Bartholomew um I'm not one to usually use the race card but I'm going 91 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:59.500 to tell you I feel like this is the most offensive thing in terms of race um in 2020 Emily Drabinski 92 00:08:59.500 --> 00:09:05.800 the head of the American Library Association proudly said how excited she was to be the first 93 00:09:05.800 --> 00:09:11.420 queer Marxist to be elected as the president and how she was going to change the world 94 00:09:11.420 --> 00:09:18.740 promptly books began coming into our schools in um book bundles some of the books 95 00:09:18.740 --> 00:09:25.800 cross the bright line rule and what I mean by that is they will put an African American on the cover and say oh we 96 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:31.658 [Card] 73 days later · 2 months. Item 3.6: amending R277-628, the state's school-library rule.. A state board member asks the question for the first time. 97 00:09:31.658 --> 00:09:35.150 “Who orders the books that we get?” — Green, but no one is named on this tape · [C, strong] 98 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:41.060 So I have a lot more homework to do myself, but who orders the books that we get? 99 00:09:41.700 --> 00:09:48.340 What contracts are we in at a state level or local LEA level with publishers or distributors? 100 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.640 Do they ever do refunds? Where do we match up the money? 101 00:09:52.780 --> 00:09:58.960 Like if you get stuff that you don't, you know, we got those books, we send them back and they reimburse us because we paid them. 102 00:09:59.400 --> 00:10:05.080 I don't know if that's how that works, but those dynamics like who orders the books? 103 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:14.120 Are we on an automatic shipment of these are the books that are under this entity that says send that out to all the, you know, all the schools nationwide? 104 00:10:15.980 --> 00:10:29.920 And why? And if it's getting to the point where laws are in place now that it's like there's a group of percentage of your books that are falling in conflict with the law that we just how do we mitigate that from the beginning? 105 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:35.460 Instead of having to do something like this, the back end, like it's putting a bandaid on a hemorrhage type approach. 106 00:10:36.060 --> 00:10:39.200 So I don't know. It just seems like there's a higher level. 107 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:42.690 [Card] 11 days later. Eleven days later she asks it again, and says she still has no answer. 108 00:10:42.690 --> 00:10:46.750 “Do we receive procured orders that are delivered automatically to the schools?” — Vice Chair Green · [P] 109 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:53.920 charge of that here's and here's one more concern that comes back to procurement which i i still 110 00:10:53.920 --> 00:11:00.240 haven't received an answer to and i'd like an answer and if it's not today if anybody that 111 00:11:00.800 --> 00:11:02.960 that knows this can get back to us 112 00:11:05.920 --> 00:11:12.560 are we physically procuring our order forms for the books that come to our libraries 113 00:11:13.680 --> 00:11:23.280 or do we receive procured orders that are delivered automatically to the schools 114 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:33.280 if that if the second is the case as a standard in our working relationship with these vendors 115 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:40.400 then in essence it's the distributors that can't be on the committee 116 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:43.591 [Card] Same meeting. A district librarian answers from her own experience. 117 00:11:43.591 --> 00:11:47.550 “I never had libraries getting boxes of books from vendors or publishers.” — a district librarian · [P] 118 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:55.600 A big box of books, and that was rare I would say in 5 years in that library, I probably got 2 boxes of books from them. 119 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:08.600 There's no procurement like I maybe this never happened to me, and as a district librarian I never had any of my libraries that I knew of that were getting like boxes of books sent to them from vendors or publishers. 120 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:14.858 [Card] 219 days later · 7 months. Pickens County adopted the RatedBooks/NBRI list the next year.. The same question, in a South Carolina public library board room. 121 00:12:14.858 --> 00:12:20.850 “Are these books gifted, or by publishers or authors? How did they get there, or did we buy them?” — Tom Geisler, public comment · [P; name as heard by ASR] 122 00:12:20.900 --> 00:12:25.660 question. And now the libraries across the country, all of them, they're bringing in this 123 00:12:25.660 --> 00:12:31.400 pornographic material. It's coming on like crazy. And how did it get there? How did this stuff get 124 00:12:31.400 --> 00:12:38.220 there? By kicking God out, number one. Number two, I would like to know, are these books gifted 125 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:46.900 by publishers or authors? How did they get there? Or did you buy them? I'd like to know that. 126 00:12:46.900 --> 00:12:52.900 I think we need an audit on that. That's just common sense. I ran a business. I had to have an 127 00:12:52.900 --> 00:12:57.968 [Card] 363 days later · 11 months. A legislator puts the supply question to the state auditors. They say they did not look into it. 128 00:12:57.968 --> 00:13:03.150 “We just ordered this box of books and we don't have any say over what's in it.” — Rep. Auxier, quoting librarians; OLAG answers · [P] 129 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:10.000 all right uh we do have uh we do have some lights here so we'll start with Representative Auxier 130 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:15.900 thank you mr chair um one of the things that i know has been heavily focused on is how to be 131 00:13:15.900 --> 00:13:21.000 proactive in selecting rather than trying to get the books off later as i've been in the schools 132 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.740 and talking many of the librarians are like we just ordered this box of books and it's just a 133 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:32.240 collection and we don't have any say over what's in it and so part of what i have been saying is 134 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:37.280 just because they come in doesn't necessarily mean you need to put them on your shelves but did you 135 00:13:37.280 --> 00:13:42.880 look at that at all as maybe a different way that we can order books so they're not just being selected 136 00:13:42.880 --> 00:13:50.320 from publishers who you know put whatever they want in it but letting the schools choose themselves it 137 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:55.180 might be more expensive that way than a combined set as well but i was just wondering if that was 138 00:13:55.180 --> 00:14:03.980 anything that had been touched upon no we we heard about that process but we didn't look into um 139 00:14:03.980 --> 00:14:10.700 whether it would be possible to go outside that process no okay thank you thank you representative 140 00:14:10.700 --> 00:14:13.200 we'll go to uh senator rebe 141 00:14:13.202 --> 00:14:17.122 [Card] 16 days later. She says she went and asked librarians herself. “What does it take to get a book? 142 00:14:17.122 --> 00:14:20.852 Curating an order, picking, shipping, receiving, inventorying, cataloging.” — Member Green · [P] 143 00:14:20.902 --> 00:14:28.502 and it's a problem. I've spent some time reaching out to librarians to understand the procurement 144 00:14:28.502 --> 00:14:36.522 process. Like what is it? What does it take to get a book? And if you stock your business shelves, 145 00:14:36.522 --> 00:14:43.222 you know that there are many, many, many levels that go into curating an order, picking that, 146 00:14:43.902 --> 00:14:52.482 shipping that, receiving that, inventorying that, cataloging that, placing it on the shelves, 147 00:14:52.482 --> 00:15:05.182 and then the process of that being used. So this is not like it's accidental. It's not like we are 148 00:15:05.182 --> 00:15:10.882 completely ignorant to, if we praise the specialists, you know, and our experts, 149 00:15:11.402 --> 00:15:18.582 then there is, there is a job that librarians are, have to undertake now. They need to understand 150 00:15:18.582 --> 00:15:25.982 the increase and desire, you know, for these industries to push these novels to the detriment 151 00:15:25.982 --> 00:15:34.482 of our children. And again, they have been unaccounted. There's no accountability to this 152 00:15:34.482 --> 00:15:41.802 happening. And we have seen, um, champions in the state of Utah that have taken great effort to create 153 00:15:41.802 --> 00:15:53.022 systems that allow us to see and to filter through novel upon novel upon novel upon novel of harmful 154 00:15:53.022 --> 00:15:55.902 to minors and pornographic materials. 155 00:15:55.902 --> 00:16:02.452 [Card] 73 days later · 2 months. 'The State of Things', with a guest named Jean on screen.. Clip 10's argument again, on her own show: the ALA president, then the bundles. 156 00:16:02.452 --> 00:16:07.752 “And then all of the sudden, book bundles started coming in.” — Cari Bartholomew, hosting · [C, strong: her name plate is the active tile] 157 00:16:07.802 --> 00:16:14.702 heard about it so i don't have a bias but i do have a bias against the american library association 158 00:16:14.702 --> 00:16:20.922 who was ran by a woman who when she was elected said i can't believe a queer member was elected 159 00:16:20.922 --> 00:16:26.722 to be the president of the american library association um we're going to change the world 160 00:16:26.722 --> 00:16:35.122 yeah and then all of the sudden book bundles started coming in and my friends i am not a prude 161 00:16:35.722 --> 00:16:39.802 That can be taken out of context, whatever, but I have, 162 00:16:39.802 --> 00:16:46.227 [Card] 52 days later. Her answer to 'where is the book coming from' is the American Library Association.. A candidate for Green's seat explains it on an advocacy channel. 163 00:16:46.227 --> 00:16:52.652 “Do you know why it came into the schools in the first place? They receive bulk boxes of books every year.” — Nichole Beecher Isom, candidate for USBE District 14 · [P] 164 00:16:52.702 --> 00:16:57.162 and really it comes down to parents' knowledge. Well, and do you know why? Do you know why it 165 00:16:57.162 --> 00:17:02.862 came into the schools in the first place? Because it wasn't there before. Yes. Good question. Good 166 00:17:02.862 --> 00:17:08.602 question. Okay. So where is this coming from? When our school librarians start the beginning 167 00:17:08.602 --> 00:17:15.062 of a school year, they receive bulk boxes of books every year. And our librarians do not 168 00:17:15.062 --> 00:17:20.922 have the time, nor are they getting paid to read every book. And so they're going through the best 169 00:17:20.922 --> 00:17:25.322 they can to just make sure these books are great. They put them on the shelf. Where is 170 00:17:25.322 --> 00:17:31.362 the book coming from? Well, if you look at the American Library Association, you can go to 171 00:17:31.362 --> 00:17:38.702 the president's webpage and she states right there her intent and her success. 172 00:17:38.702 --> 00:17:41.495 [Card] 29 days later. She lays out the supply chain as she understands it. 173 00:17:41.495 --> 00:17:46.252 “Publishers and the distribution centers that then funnel into the schools.” — Green, but no one is named on this tape · [C] 174 00:17:46.302 --> 00:17:53.122 there's an industry that exists with publishers and they have a relationship with authors and they 175 00:17:53.122 --> 00:17:57.582 have, you know, that's their business. So they're going to onboard authors. They're going to onboard 176 00:17:57.582 --> 00:18:02.802 their inventory, which is novels. Um, and then you have the partnerships between those publishers 177 00:18:02.802 --> 00:18:09.362 and the distribution centers that then funnel into the, the schools. So that means that you, 178 00:18:09.362 --> 00:18:15.822 you have a warehouse, you have a place where those books are housed, you have, um, a purchase 179 00:18:15.822 --> 00:18:23.202 order that's curated. And then you have that hand selected and shipped from that warehouse. 180 00:18:23.482 --> 00:18:29.862 You have somebody that receives it, inventories it, puts their coding on it. So you know where it is. 181 00:18:30.022 --> 00:18:34.142 We do that with our product. Everything is mapped out with a little scanner. You know exactly where 182 00:18:34.142 --> 00:18:40.282 it goes. You receive it, you stock it. And it's the same with our books. So we've been trying to figure 183 00:18:40.282 --> 00:18:45.802 out who's to blame. If anybody were to be blamed, it's hard with books. Again, how do you read 184 00:18:45.802 --> 00:18:53.022 thousands of, of, you know, books every year? But we are asking the question, how is it that this, 185 00:18:53.822 --> 00:19:00.122 you know, can keep happening when, which is why I voted to keep the, the clarification on, we are, 186 00:19:00.122 --> 00:19:06.302 have an environment of minors. And so we, that brings a whole different level of, um, 187 00:19:06.302 --> 00:19:08.760 [Card] Same meeting. A librarian answers her directly, at length. 188 00:19:08.760 --> 00:19:11.218 “We are choosing every single title that ends up in our schools.” 189 00:19:11.218 --> 00:19:13.752 — a librarian, unnamed on this tape · [P as her self-description] 190 00:19:13.802 --> 00:19:23.602 so let me make sure i understand your question yes um so you're asking what librarians know 191 00:19:23.602 --> 00:19:30.062 about like what are the contracts that maybe a school slash librarian has with authors publishers 192 00:19:30.062 --> 00:19:37.322 distributors where they get the inventory where they get the inventory from okay um so uh 193 00:19:37.322 --> 00:19:43.282 every every every school or district may be a little bit differently but there's 194 00:19:43.282 --> 00:19:49.662 a little bit different there are a couple of distributors out there that they will purchase 195 00:19:49.662 --> 00:19:55.842 from amazon being probably with our small districts and charter schools they probably go there more 196 00:19:55.842 --> 00:20:01.302 often just because it's more convenient it's more quick the books will get there more quickly 197 00:20:01.302 --> 00:20:07.882 our other districts will use a variety of different um they don't work with publishers at all it will 198 00:20:07.882 --> 00:20:15.202 only be a distributor who has a a bunch of all of the titles potentially um when what they do is they 199 00:20:15.202 --> 00:20:19.742 actually cover the titles for they cover that when the materials come in they're already pre-covered in 200 00:20:19.742 --> 00:20:25.182 library materials and barcoded and everything so it saves the librarian time so that's partly why they 201 00:20:25.182 --> 00:20:32.262 use those um organizations so they don't necessarily have a contract with any of those organizations i know 202 00:20:32.262 --> 00:20:42.082 there's a state contract out there with one um facilitator uh but beyond that like the the 203 00:20:42.082 --> 00:20:49.922 librarians or the schools are not required to use any specific um vendor for purchasing and that's why 204 00:20:49.922 --> 00:20:54.262 they end up like i would purchase from amazon sometimes and i would purchase from another distributor 205 00:20:54.262 --> 00:21:00.802 sometimes um but i had no relationship with publishers none of us had ever have any relationships with publishers 206 00:21:00.802 --> 00:21:09.402 at all so i can't speak to um to like what that might look like um i do hear um i've heard mentioned 207 00:21:09.402 --> 00:21:15.962 historically this idea of these books these bundles of books that come i never did that none of the 208 00:21:15.962 --> 00:21:21.982 librarians in granite school district ever did that for my conversations with um librarians i don't i'm not 209 00:21:21.982 --> 00:21:29.402 sure um you know who might who might be purchasing those bundles um that you're rough that you all have been 210 00:21:29.402 --> 00:21:34.502 referencing um but that's not something that i think is mainstream that comes and we get we got these books 211 00:21:34.502 --> 00:21:40.382 that we didn't actually choose all of what came in the package um generally we are choosing every single 212 00:21:40.382 --> 00:21:41.802 title that ends up in our 213 00:21:41.802 --> 00:21:47.300 [Card] 54 days later. The host of clip 10 says it again, two and a half years later, to the RatedBooks founder. She answers: pre-purchase lists. 214 00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:53.752 “Scholastic or somebody will send you a book bundle, and in that book bundle there's this kind of material.” — Cari Bartholomew, hosting; Brooke Stephens answers · [P] 215 00:21:53.802 --> 00:21:59.562 you're going to have a better chance of protecting your kids and when you have people and not all 216 00:21:59.562 --> 00:22:06.042 because i have definitely talked to librarians who get the book bundles about there's some great 217 00:22:06.042 --> 00:22:11.722 librarians out there yeah and they they grab these book bundles that are given to them 218 00:22:12.762 --> 00:22:18.522 so you know they're not just made out of money and scholastic or somebody will send you a book 219 00:22:18.522 --> 00:22:23.802 bundle and in that book bundle there's this kind of material 220 00:22:23.802 --> 00:22:26.263 [Card] 36 days later. At the vote on the $60,000 industry review. 221 00:22:26.263 --> 00:22:28.952 “Pornographic novels that have made it through.” — Member Green · [P] 222 00:22:29.002 --> 00:22:32.202 And now we have a year or two of data underneath our belt. 223 00:22:32.562 --> 00:22:37.062 And what we're seeing, the way I've phrased it, I'll phrase it again, is we've been able 224 00:22:37.062 --> 00:22:43.362 to put a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage as far as the type of novels and materials, pornographic 225 00:22:43.362 --> 00:22:47.002 novels that have made it through Salt Lake Tribune had an organization. 226 00:22:47.002 --> 00:22:51.946 [Card] Same meeting. A colleague asks if she means vendors are doing it deliberately. “How vendors have access to public education. 227 00:22:51.946 --> 00:22:54.852 We don't understand that relationship yet.” — Member Green, answering · [P] 228 00:22:54.902 --> 00:22:58.422 I guess I'm still a little unclear. 229 00:22:59.382 --> 00:23:06.702 Do I hear you saying you think that vendors are intentionally selling pornographic materials to schools? 230 00:23:12.482 --> 00:23:15.922 Is that what I think, is that what you're saying? 231 00:23:15.922 --> 00:23:22.122 You know, if we wanted to spin it politically, you could say, yeah, we're putting our stake in the ground. 232 00:23:23.142 --> 00:23:24.202 And yes, that's happening. 233 00:23:24.902 --> 00:23:36.582 What we want to understand is how vendors have access to public education, and we don't understand that relationship yet. 234 00:23:36.902 --> 00:23:45.558 [Card] Every clip here is a derived cut. 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